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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:16:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:How can a kb/m affect strafing speed? Are you saying that pressing a or d makes me move faster than a DS3 moving the stick left or right?
If not, then move your chubby fingers faster you damn controller monkeys. KB/M left-right strafing: 1. Press A - instantly 100% speed strafe left 2. Press D - instantly 100% speed strafe right Commentary: It is impossible to make the keys do less than 100% instant movement speed. They are digital - you move 100% or don't move. So you can - in fact, it is hard not to - achieve instant change from 100% left to 100% right by alternating A and D. DS3 left-right strafing: 1. Push left on DS3 stick - instantly there is something like 5% movement left. 2. Then it is 10%, then 20%, then 30%, as you move the stick further left. 3. You only reach 100% movement left speed with the stick at (I believe) 95% to the left. 4. Push right on DS3 stick - you first go through 90%, 80%, 70% LEFT (i.e. the opposite of what you want...) as you move the stick from it's 95% left position. 5. Eventually you reach the central (neutral) position, then 5%, 10%, etc movement right. 6. You only reach 100% movement right speed with the stick at (I believe) 95% to the right. Commentary: It is impossible to make the DS3 do more than 5% (approx) instant movement speed. It is analogue - you cannot help but 5%, then 10%, etc as the stick slides across. So you cannot achieve instant change from 100% left to 100% right by alternating left and right; the biggest instant change you can achieve from 100% left is to go to something like 90% left (the wrong direction). Thank you for the quality input.
Hmmm. Sounds like you're implying that it takes you more than 0.2 seconds to sweep the left stick from full left to full right. That must be one huge sweep ark. What do you have for a left d-stick, an ape hanger? |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:20:00 -
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Sky Kage wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:How can a kb/m affect strafing speed? Are you saying that pressing a or d makes me move faster than a DS3 moving the stick left or right?
If not, then move your chubby fingers faster you damn controller monkeys. KB/M left-right strafing: 1. Press A - instantly 100% speed strafe left 2. Press D - instantly 100% speed strafe right Commentary: It is impossible to make the keys do less than 100% instant movement speed. They are digital - you move 100% or don't move. So you can - in fact, it is hard not to - achieve instant change from 100% left to 100% right by alternating A and D. DS3 left-right strafing: 1. Push left on DS3 stick - instantly there is something like 5% movement left. 2. Then it is 10%, then 20%, then 30%, as you move the stick further left. 3. You only reach 100% movement left speed with the stick at (I believe) 95% to the left. 4. Push right on DS3 stick - you first go through 90%, 80%, 70% LEFT (i.e. the opposite of what you want...) as you move the stick from it's 95% left position. 5. Eventually you reach the central (neutral) position, then 5%, 10%, etc movement right. 6. You only reach 100% movement right speed with the stick at (I believe) 95% to the right. Commentary: It is impossible to make the DS3 do more than 5% (approx) instant movement speed. It is analogue - you cannot help but 5%, then 10%, etc as the stick slides across. So you cannot achieve instant change from 100% left to 100% right by alternating left and right; the biggest instant change you can achieve from 100% left is to go to something like 90% left (the wrong direction). Thank you for the quality input. Hmmm. Sounds like you're implying that it takes you more than 0.2 seconds to sweep the left stick from full left to full right. That must be one huge sweep ark. What do you have for a left d-stick, an ape hanger? While we are fighting and shooting, every second counts. so that .2 extra seconds slower then your strafing makes all the difference i personally could care less about all this, just was reading through here while i wait for my squad to deploy lmfao DS3- my personally favorite, can't help but to love the controllers. sweet nostalgia..
I can actually spam ADAD or swipe my controller stick full LRLR so fast that my character doesn't move more than a few inches so... I don't see any validity on this complaint unless the person making it has really REALLY slow thumbs. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:56:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:You have completely missed the point.
The instantaneous left and right strafe with a k/b and mouse is an advantage over the controllers slower movement acceleration allowing for quicker strafing left and right. Iv played far more fps on PC than console and I am shocked this kind of blatant advantage is allowed against controller users lol.
If there's nothing announced about momentum being added to the keyboard strafing within a month I'll be switching to k/b and mouse.
So you're saying that since I can get the same strafe response from my controller as I can from my keyboard I'm missing the point? Apparently I have a lightning fast left thumb. I think your point is that you want the keyboard to get another nerf so your controller can be better.
Keyboard... Yes it's either on or off on the key but that prevents us from having the fine movement control of the DS3. But I can still get the strafe response from both.
And you probably won't like using a mouse. Sure we have finer aim control, but we don't get the benefit of auto aim helping us keep our sights on an erratically moving target. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.18 10:41:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Its not a debatable subject, the k/b and mouse allows for instant strafing left or right which is an advantage over the controllers strafe acceleration which whether you agree or not, is slower to respond because of momentum. The k/b and mouse instantly responds because there's no momentum with the k/b. Iv played fps on PC since 1996 so again if you don't understand how this is an advantage then that's your own a ignorance, I'd like to see momentum added to the k/b movement so its in line with the controller, its not a nerf.
I don't know how much much more simple I can make it, I hope you actually understand now lol.
Ah well, if you want to go there... You admit that I have 4+ years more experience than you playing PC FPS. I also have arcade experience going back to 1974 and console gaming going back to 1977.
I understand the misguided point you're trying to make. I say it's misguided as I have actually tested this in game to see that I can get the same strafe results with both controller and keyboard. If you can't get the same results, train your left thumb. The advantage, if any, is negligible. It's like saying that if someone's arm is .001 millimeters longer than your's then they have a undeniable advantage in reach height. The difference is actually so small as to be unnoticeable. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:18:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Its not a debatable subject, the k/b and mouse allows for instant strafing left or right which is an advantage over the controllers strafe acceleration which whether you agree or not, is slower to respond because of momentum. The k/b and mouse instantly responds because there's no momentum with the k/b. Iv played fps on PC since 1996 so again if you don't understand how this is an advantage then that's your own a ignorance, I'd like to see momentum added to the k/b movement so its in line with the controller, its not a nerf.
I don't know how much much more simple I can make it, I hope you actually understand now lol. Ah well, if you want to go there... You admit that I have 4+ years more experience than you playing PC FPS. I also have arcade experience going back to 1974 and console gaming going back to 1977. I understand the misguided point you're trying to make. I say it's misguided as I have actually tested this in game to see that I can get the same strafe results with both controller and keyboard. If you can't get the same results, train your left thumb. The advantage, if any, is negligible. It's like saying that if someone's arm is .001 millimeters longer than your's then they have a undeniable advantage in reach height. The difference is actually so small as to be unnoticeable. It could just be that because I'm way better with k/b and mouse i see this as an advantage, when I switch to it from controller that slight increase in left and right strafe switching will definitely give me an edge.
It won't give you the edge you think it will and you'll loose the auto-aim edge the controller gives you. But you're more than welcome to join the keyboard/mouse community. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.21 00:57:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Its not a debatable subject, the k/b and mouse allows for instant strafing left or right which is an advantage over the controllers strafe acceleration which whether you agree or not, is slower to respond because of momentum. The k/b and mouse instantly responds because there's no momentum with the k/b. Iv played fps on PC since 1996 so again if you don't understand how this is an advantage then that's your own a ignorance, I'd like to see momentum added to the k/b movement so its in line with the controller, its not a nerf.
I don't know how much much more simple I can make it, I hope you actually understand now lol. Ah well, if you want to go there... You admit that I have 4+ years more experience than you playing PC FPS. I also have arcade experience going back to 1974 and console gaming going back to 1977. I understand the misguided point you're trying to make. I say it's misguided as I have actually tested this in game to see that I can get the same strafe results with both controller and keyboard. If you can't get the same results, train your left thumb. The advantage, if any, is negligible. It's like saying that if someone's arm is .001 millimeters longer than your's then they have a undeniable advantage in reach height. The difference is actually so small as to be unnoticeable. It could just be that because I'm way better with k/b and mouse i see this as an advantage, when I switch to it from controller that slight increase in left and right strafe switching will definitely give me an edge. It won't give you the edge you think it will and you'll loose the auto-aim edge the controller gives you. But you're more than welcome to join the keyboard/mouse community. I have never known anyone to use auto aim on a k/b and mouse, its not needed.
It's not available with keyboard/mouse that's why. If it was, every lazy gamer on keyboard/mouse would use it. LOL |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.21 00:59:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:TechMechMeds wrote: Iv played fps on PC since 1996 How many times are you gunna throw that out there like it means something? Congrats you were playing games in the 90s and own a pc you are in the exclusive club of just about everybody. Take away DS3s momentum and make them twitch left and right at 100%, problem solved, but wait that would mess with controller users aim that they've gained after months of not having their control scheme tweaked with every Fing patch, lets just tweak the KB and mouse a bit more, they won't mind getting bent over a little bit more. It shows experience, why else? Lol
Well I'm sure there are many gamers on here with the same amount of experience you have, and there are those with more. In the end, waving your e-peen means nothing as no-one but you cares. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.21 01:14:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:TechMechMeds wrote: Iv played fps on PC since 1996 How many times are you gunna throw that out there like it means something? Congrats you were playing games in the 90s and own a pc you are in the exclusive club of just about everybody. Take away DS3s momentum and make them twitch left and right at 100%, problem solved, but wait that would mess with controller users aim that they've gained after months of not having their control scheme tweaked with every Fing patch, lets just tweak the KB and mouse a bit more, they won't mind getting bent over a little bit more. It shows experience, why else? Lol Well I'm sure there are many gamers on here with the same amount of experience you have, and there are those with more. In the end, waving your e-peen means nothing as no-one but you cares. Its not waving my epeen, its letting people know I have experience to back up what I'm saying, perception is a btch.
And yet you feel that my experience, and that I've actually tried the difference in game, doesn't back up my conclusions. How hypocritical of you. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.21 01:45:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Because a lot of people protect crutches and if also heard from a lot of people who use k/b mouse that say the same thing. Its nothing personal. I'm switching to k/b mouse next month.
Usually when a lot of people say the same thing it's because they've tried it and had the same results. The reason most of us keyboard/mouse users prefer that control method is because it's what we're most accustomed to. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:12:00 -
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Gunnut88 wrote:IMHO KBM should be removed. Want to use your KBM go play some thing on your computer. Want to play a console game pick up a ******* controller. KBM has no place in a console exclusive game, pick up a ******* controller or go back to PC gaming.
Racist... |
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:22:00 -
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trraacx wrote:I tried kbm this weekend just based on what I've read here and it is what I used way back on the PC. It is hard. I'm sure it has its benefits but I suspect I would die 1000s of deaths to get back to where I am now with the controller.
Not surprising. There are people who will be way better with a controller than with a keyboard/mouse set up because it's what they're accustomed to. Good hunting. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:39:00 -
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Saying keyboard/mouse has no place on a console is equivalent to saying that console style controllers have no place on PC games. |
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